For Iye, the transition to the Netherlands was big, also in the field of music. “You have professional musicians, let’s say the A class, people who are famous and you see on TV, and people who play in the B or C class, for example. What I notice is that those classes hardly ever meet in the Netherlands. When I lived in South Africa I could play with everyone, even with people who had received a Grammy nomination, for example. In order to make creative music, that separation between the classes should be small. That way you can learn from each other.”