Frits Lintmeijer, former councilor for GroenLinks, has difficulty with this subject in Utrecht politics. “You have to be very careful about bringing international politics into the city council.” Lintmeijer notes that it is very difficult to continue to discuss this subject rationally. “You cannot make a nuanced comment about this conflict and you are immediately in one camp or the other. And that division is also in our society,” he says in the podcast. Still, he thought GroenLinks’ motion was well formulated, Kleinrensink neatly kept the middle ground, according to Lintmeijer: “It was a motion that was carefully chosen.”