He compares current livestock farming to a skewed scale. With on the one hand, on the bottom, the farmers. And at the top the nitrogen problem. “If you want to balance the two, you have to lower the nitrogen. Or should farmers disappear? No, you just have to make them work differently. In particular, you have to greatly reduce intensive livestock farming, including chickens and pigs. I think the entire landscape should be redesigned, with farmers who work organically.”