In addition to the conversation with De Vries, the BBB also had an informal cup of coffee with GroenLinks, the second party. “We talked very well there. If you put our election programs next to each other, there are differences, but we do not exclude anyone.” Verleun often talks about building bridges. With the conversation with GroenLinks “the first stones have been laid. But that does not mean that we are on the other side.”