Michiel sometimes also makes larger objects. In his studio, which overlooks a meadow, he is working on two seating objects on which people can sit opposite each other. “What I am making now is about having a conversation, having a debate, about whether it is true or not. There is a lot of news coming our way and we have to figure it out all day long: who is saying this, is it true, can I believe that. One image says ‘it is’ in English, that’s how it is, this is the truth. The other image says ‘is it?’ That poses the question: is it true? Is it not true? The answer may ultimately be: we have investigated it, it is true, but it could also be: it is not true. And to give the conversation some direction, Hidden somewhere in this image is the subject of doubt and possibilities of it being possible. I hope it brings to people’s attention the fact that a conversation does not always have to end in a hardening of positions, but that there is also a movement towards each other is possible.”