Johan and Hermien independently answer the question about the secret of a good marriage the same: “Give and take.” Although Hermien adds that it does require more giving: “That’s because I worked in healthcare for 25 years.” And while other relationships may lack individual freedom, this couple always stayed together as much as possible. “To do a lot together”, is the motto. Traveling, volunteering at former professional club HVC, a day away, preferably all together.