In this new episode of La Loupe, we analyze the war for influence that Beijing and Washington are waging in the largest ocean in the world with Axel Gyldén, senior reporter in the World department of L’Express.
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The team: Mathias Penguilly (writing and editing), Charlotte Baris (presentation) and Jules Krot (production).
Credits: The White House
Music and dressing: Emmanuel Herschon/Studio Torrent
Image credits: Brendan Smialowski/AFP
Logo: Anne-Laure Chapelain/Benjamin Chazal
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Charlotte Baris: For the introduction to this podcast, our journalist Axel Gyldén, senior reporter for the World department of L’Express, arranged to meet me in a secret location. He promised me that the trip would be worth the detour… Just give me a moment to take out the teleporter from La Loupe, which allows us to go anywhere in the world. I enter the coordinates and let’s go!
Oh yes ! Axel didn’t lie to me, it’s incredible! Here I am on a fine sand beach. It’s very hot and humid, there are a lot of people around me and the seafront is quite concrete. I feel like I’m in a very touristy seaside resort.
Axel Gyldén: Aloha Charlotte!
Charlotte Baris: Hello Axel! If I had any doubts about our location, they are cleared up: we are in Hawaii.
Axel Gyldén: That’s right. More precisely at Waikiki Beach, the main beach in Honolulu, the capital, which is located on the island of O’ahu.
Charlotte Baris: Why did you choose this starting point?
Axel Gyldén: Not so fast!! Before continuing, I want you to take the time to admire the place… All these Americans coming from the continent for their vacation: these children playing ball, these tourists basking in the sun or bathing in water at 30 degrees. It really is a vacation atmosphere, but what you might not imagine is that if we take the car that way, to the West, in less than 15 minutes we reach the naval base of Pearl Harbor.
Charlotte Baris: Pearl Harbor, this base which was bombed in 1941 by the Japanese and which plunged the Americans into World War II…
Axel Gyldén: Yes, in what was called the “Pacific War”. When Tokyo bombed Pearl Harbor, no one saw it coming, it was a big shock for the Americans. If I brought you here, it’s because a new “Pacific War” is preparing (a war of another form, you’ll see, and especially with another adversary). And this time again, the Americans did not realize in time what could happen to them.
Charlotte Baris: I understand a little better the objective of this express trip. I suggest we quickly go and dip our toes in the water and go back to the studio so you can explain everything about this new “Pacific War” to me.
Axel Gyldén: My pleasure !
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